Christalnightshade wrote: |
I hope to claim and say that my friend thought I was a satanist, is that the same as an atheits |
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you guys are already to far deep into hating him |
Christalnightshade wrote: |
Thank you for that phang... And why did your name change? and whois the tag along, you can p.m me. I really want ot know what you meant by those words... |
The Meaning Of Fear wrote: |
And I think this thread is a tad overboard. Perhaps we should tone it down a bit. |
Phang wrote: | ||
Oh good, not just me then. |
BStG wrote: |
But to those of you who do practice and are true to a faith, I truly envy. It is something I wish I could believe. |
Chinaren wrote: |
Why on earth would you be envious of blind faith? The person who questions everything is the person I respect, not some lemming who does random and weird stuff* because it's written in a storybook. |
BStheGreat wrote: | ||
Better to die happy and foolish than sad and right. |
Christalnightshade wrote: |
*Cpie walks in* I'm not going to continue this chat and I should have never started it. We might pray everyday, but we feel it is the right thing to do, even if some of you think it is a lot of dip* stuff. Understand I however aren't going to fight about this, I thought for once you guys would just accept each others faith or even their religion... but I guess that is just a little girl dreaming away. *and fades away* |
vgmaster wrote: |
I'm religious, but my religion is centered around love and happiness. 11 gods all committed to making sure the universe runs with no kinks. There is only one branch too. I don't like religious arguments either. I'll just ignore this thread now.... Bye. |
Chinaren wrote: |
I'd rather die happy and right (such as now) And what difference does it make in the end? |
Phang wrote: | ||
Come back! Come back! This is relevant to my interests! |
vgmaster wrote: | ||||
You summoned? |
Phang wrote: |
More info on this 11 gods thingy. |
Scheherazade wrote: |
It... actually isn't. Many Christians do read the books of other religions, and it is not considered blasphemy; |
BStheGreat wrote: |
Although, I am currently reading and enjoying The Bible According to Mark Twain. |
Scheherazade wrote: |
(Christianity in specific, not religion in general) |
BStheGreat wrote: |
when if they read ours its considered blasphemy. |
Scheherazade wrote: |
Many Christians do read the books of other religions, and it is not considered blasphemy |
BStheGreat wrote: |
Being an atheist means you have no religion |
vgmaster wrote: | ||
More specific please. |
Chinaren wrote: |
keep their mumbo jumbo out of my face. |
BStheGreat wrote: |
But Christians belief that for some reason everybody has to be Christian. |
Chinaren wrote: |
BAD TASTE WARNING!!! Priest is out walking in the middle of nowhere, when he comes across a small girl sobbing at the edge of a cliff. "What's the matter, little girl?" asks the priest. "Well," says the girl between sobs, "my mother and father were in the car and it rolled over the edge of the cliff, and is now burning fiercely!" The priest replies, undoing his fly, "It's just not your day, is it?" |
HiddenHeartsCry wrote: | ||
Exactly. |
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An Atheist is a member of the religion that teaches that God does not exist; moreover and Atheist is someone who is convinced that God does not exist. |
Chinaren wrote: |
‘And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence.’ - Bertrand Russell |
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some young children who believe atheitism is a religion, |
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couldn't become artifact if it tried. |
Chinaren wrote: | ||
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Crunchyfrog wrote: |
Can agnostics post here? |
Crunchyfrog wrote: |
Great! I'll just go and sit on that fence over there, then. Or how about that other one on the other side?
Hmm. Just can't decide... |
Fats_Masterson wrote: |
The laws of science are unbreakable, irrefutable and the ultimate rules of creation. |
BStheGreat wrote: | ||
This isn't true at all. There are no definites in this world, something is only right as long as it is not proven wrong, and only wrong until it is proven right. Some things may seem irrefutable, but it is simply because an opportunity has not yet arisen to refute it. |
Phang wrote: |
Some stunning insight
I'll bet it's pissing Chin off! |
Crady wrote: |
I thought you also didn't want to change others point of view |
Christalnightshade wrote: |
I think you shouldn't be happy about what you actaully make the people think in this thread |
LolaTally wrote: |
Spiritualists, unite!
Dyslexics, untie! |
DeadManWalking wrote: |
Nice post Guy. But I have to say, the question in the motivational poster has been given answers before. (Not that i did not say it was answered.)
The answer most theologians give is that evil is now an intrinsic part of humanity, and that to remove it would change humanity into something it is not. Humanity has chosen to embrace evil (Main example is the Fall, with the Fruit, etc.) and God gives us the freedom to choose. (This doesn't work with Calvinism at all though.) Second answer is kinda similar. God needs us to make our own mistakes. Like a parent with their child, they need to allow the child to stumble along and learn some things for themselves. Perhaps God learned from the Fall that simply forbidding someone something wouldn't prevent them from taking it. Again those both have holes, but hey, what religion doesn't? (Side Note: I'm an agnostic myself, but I went to a Catholic school for several years. You pick things up there.) |
Thunderbird wrote: |
I would have discounted the Bible entirely if not for two observations:
1) The prophecies actually seem to be coming true, much as many other religions of the worlds' prophecies are appearing to manifest as well. and 2) I have uncovered historical facts that seem to make the Bible make some sense, appears to clarify so many of its contradictions, and re-slant the whole story to become something far more... profound. That said, such clarifications have also shattered a great many of the tenants that the churchs' faiths rely upon. Heh heh. |
Guyron wrote: |
1) Prophecies are ambiguous. Of course something WILL happen it all depends on where and how fast. And how accurate the prophet is. Even Nostradamus predicted a lot of events and he was follower of no religion. |
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2) The are also a lot of newly discovered evidences that actually present the Bible as a careful selection of gospels which they found suited for... let's not say control of the masses, but more like "guiding" the world in certain directions. |
Zekle wrote: |
What's your beef with religion? |
Zink wrote: |
So, if you read this far, perhaps you will think of your own answer. Why are you an atheist? What were your reasons? |
Kalanna Rai wrote: |
I'm agnostic.
Atheists because they don't keep the option open. |
Chinaren wrote: |
Agnostic = basically someone who's too chicken to make their mind up. |
Pha wrote: | ||
Alternatively, someone who believes that such things are entirely unknowable. This can (rarely, though) be combined with religious belief - a sort of 'We'll never know, but I believe in it anyway'. |
ng wrote: |
Considering you have apparently just ignored Kalanna's reasoning to imply she is a chicken, you're starting to play up to a stereotype yourself, Chin. |
Chinaren wrote: | ||||
Nah, I stand by my statement. It is the Atheist thread after all. Not the "can't make up my mind" thread. I have enough trouble with CMUMM people who stand in the line in front of me at McDonalds and um and er, even though they've had plenty of time to decide on something as they've been in the line for the past five minutes. McDonald agnostics! |
Kalanna Rai wrote: |
All I believe is that there might be someone(s) or something(s) out there and I'm not going to piss them off by telling them they're fake. |
Scheherazade wrote: |
Just curious... Of those of you who mock Christianity (Christianity in specific, not religion in general), how many have actually read some of the New Testament? |
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But, I believe the more beautiful definition is the ability to believe in something when there is no evidence. |
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When one "denies the existence of god", that's technically a belief |
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because one has decided to shut themselves to the other possibilities |
Chinaren wrote: |
How is that a belief? It's the lack of belief, as I thought I'd made clear all along. Much like black is a lack of color. I can't see how this is a logical 'argument at all'. |
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Again, your logic fails you. The first part of the sentence doesn't mean I haven't considered other possibilities at all. Quite the contrary. As a, I like to think, logical and intelligent* person I've considered the fairy tales people call religions, and discounted them. I've not discounted, for example, the possibility that the Earth was seeded by aliens for life (which I find far more believable than just about any religion), or that, in fact, I am dreaming all this. |
sagittaeri wrote: | ||
To illustrate my point: say we have theory X, but we currently have no ability to prove X either way. When you have a lack of belief, you say "X could go either way". When you start choosing sides, however, by saying "X is false" despite the fact we have no scientific measurement to test this theory, that's a belief. So, X in our case is "does a higher power aka god exist". Note that I'm not referring to a specific god. |
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Well, perhaps I should've been clear. By "other possibilities", I am referring to a higher power aka god. I'm not restricting the definition of god to a christian god, say, or even a religious one. It's really more of an abstract concept at this point. I love discussing/debating/arguing religion. That, and politics, and anything else that could be controversial. |
Chinaren wrote: |
A cunning argument, but I'd put it like this: People say there is a deity, but when asked for proof/evidence, they fail to provide any, usually pointing to their god book and using that, which is far from proof. Whereas for science there's lots of stuff that's at least circumstantial evidence, or there are theories about how things work and so on, and as we advance, more of this is proved true/false. Basically if I say there's an invisible imp standing next to you, the onus is on me to convince you that's the case. Anyone can say anything otherwise. |