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The worst thing about it was that he had prodded into the girls’ life, and now he couldn’t use his non-challance to answer her as he usually did. |
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“Maybe we should start out towards town. It looks like it might haul.” |
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I hope the Father has a better resistance to temptation than me. |
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I am totally athiest, so the religous side of this is an anathema to me. |
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Religion is always based on Faith and Logic |
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Religion is always based on Faith and Logic
Since when does logic have anything to do with it??? |
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I don't want to turn this into a religious debate, but... |
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I'd love to have religious debates! That's what this story is all about. |
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<insert pirate smilie> *
( * where's it gone? |
lordofthenight wrote: |
Wow - we're a decisive lot. |
Smee wrote: |
Rarely will any side be persuaded by the others arguments because both sides fundamentally believe in different and opposing views. |
Smee wrote: |
Great Flying Spaghetti monster. |
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The debate, isolated from the irreversible thoughts, is innocent and pure. If the thinkers are able to approach the debate with an open mind, other than a stubborn fundamentalism, then the debate is healed from your accusations, Smee.
Therefore, I welcome a 'debate', not an irretrievable, unalterable and unrelenting argument between two opposing views. |
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So subject closed |
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unlike many other debates - no substantial evidence can be put forward on either side |
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Since when does logic have anything to do with it??? |
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Because religion started as an effort to explain why things happen. Ancient civilisatoins ddin't just create religions for the Hell of it, they were trying to find a reason for everything. A higher power was - for scientifically inept people - the most logical explaination. That someone had designed them. |
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And now I'm getting drawn into a 'religious debate' and like Chinaren I don't want one. |
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I entirely agree Dani |
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That is not entirely true. For example, upon the Resurrection, it could be argued by some that there is no proof that Jesus rose from the dead, and furthermore, some would assert that the disciples removed his body from the grave so that their story would seem true. |
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Then, somebody could say that the four Gospels offer different accounts about Jesus' death. How could the evangelists write accounts that contradict each other, if the resurrection is the central event of Christianity? The debater thinks it was because it was all a big story. |
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Besides, what kind of a debate would it be where everything is already proven? People don't debate about that which is generally accepted. In a debate about wether national security is worth limiting our freedom, you can't offer exact proof. You can give facts like "2,000 people died in a terrorist attack", or "On the watchlist of Homeland Security is a small group of middle aged democrat women called 'code pink', who bake cookies and discuss about the war." But you can't say that one side is better than the other by exact proof.
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But we're debating the possibility of the debate, not the story itself. |
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The books were written a good thirty years after the events. Each disciple would have known different things, and there is no reason for them to all give the exact same accounts. None of the accounts completely contradict any other, they just have different bits at different times. |
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The point here would not solely be "2,000 people died in a terrorist attack". It would be along the lines of - "2,000 people died in terrorist attacks this year, while last year there were 3,000 deaths." This would "prove" (well, of course it wouldn't prove it, but it would be offering evidence to show it) that tightening of National Security has led to improvement. |
chinaren wrote: |
I like this story, but I have to ask: Should it really be in Fantasy? It doesn't seem to be the correct forum for it. |
D-Lotus wrote: | ||
Well, where should it be? I always had the same problem. My stories don't really fit in any of the divisions, but in the past they've always been put in fantasy. |
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