City of IF

[Smee]

What's with all the Philosophy votes people. :shock:

She says herself:

Quote: He says nothing you do not know, and as he goes on you weigh the pros and cons of choosing Philosophy.

Quote: No – although it is the most honored of arts, you feel that it would be better for you to create something more solid.

It's an insubstantial subject that will not test her as she needs to be in order to prove herself.

People with votes remaining - help prevent the insanity.

Happy Voting. :)

[ethereal_fauna]

She wants to do great things, really she does. But she isn't the logical, unemotional machine that her peers are. She doesn't want ridicule. At her tender age, I think she's going to play it safe. Animal studies intrigues her, but she's going to pick something mundane like philosophy :cool:

[Smee]

Which is why Science is the happy, balanced choice :cool:

[ethereal_fauna]

And does the child appear balanced? She's in conflict. She'll either choose from her heart, or go in the opposite direction and choose what is safest.

Of course I probably wouldn't know anything about the way preteen children think...but I'm sure you're an expert on the reasoning of 12 year old girls. :P

~Petty and Mean Dept

[Smee]

As I quoted before - Philosophy isn't a choice in her mind.

She can either play safe and go for Science, or be risky and go for the animals.

We basically both agree that she'll play safe - so that means Science. She gets the admiration she wants from her parent-set whilst producing the 'solid' results she needs.

[Key]

Yes, I switched the poll to the top because I thought it might draw more new players in to go straight from the story to the poll. It's a site-wide change. Feedback welcome.

I'm surprised by the votes for philosophy as well, since there didn't seem to be many comments favoring that in the discussion phase.

But I guess you never know; that's why we vote. :D

[saxon215]

ooh im sad i missed this little debate, i also missed fauna and key being online

[ethereal_fauna]

I'd grown used to the poll at the bottom, but it doesn't matter either way to me.

And the child is going to choose philosophy, like I said from the very beginning. o-)

[saxon215]

is this going to turn into a philosophical debate?

get it!! :P
*laughs heartily at his bad joke*

[LordoftheNight]

yes - we get it

i voted for philosophy - partailly because i always wished i had chosen it instead of science

[Smee]

*smacks Lordy about the head with a large fish*

You supposed to pick what she wants to do, not what you wished you'd done.

Tsk.

However is Science going to win now. :D

[LordoftheNight]

oww *rubs head*

i said that was a reason - not my main reason for it
i thought on it for about 5 mins before coming to a decision

(i just can't remember what my reasoning was now - but it was a good argument. it convinced me afterall)

[ethereal_fauna]

Now now...no abusing fellow voters. You're supposed to pick what the character will do based on what you know of that character...and Pilla ain't no scientist.

[saxon215]

can i ahve that fish when your dont with it smee, i can think of so many gags, perhaps i should get the speciallised tag of city joker

[Mother Goose]

Who says Pilla's no scientist? She's intelligent and curious, and wants to get some kind of solid result. I don't think philosophy would satisfy her, but with a science background she might be able to branch out into animal studies later without sacrificing prestige.

[Chinaren]

I also had a good reason (so I thought) for voting for flosfy. What was it? :?

Well, animal studies doesn't bring the status. There was a reason I didn't choose science, but can't remember.

Anyway, flosifee has status, but... Bogger. Forgotten my rational for that as well now.

Anyway, I had a good reason for voting that way! :cool:

[ethereal_fauna]

Mother Goose wrote: Who says Pilla's no scientist? She's intelligent and curious, and wants to get some kind of solid result. I don't think philosophy would satisfy her, but with a science background she might be able to branch out into animal studies later without sacrificing prestige.
It's obviously two separate disciplines, although there are teachers that overlap. I don't think she'll fool herself into believing that she could get away with some farce of studying science and then branching into animal studies.

At any rate, I don't think she's interested in the biology of the animals so much as their intelligence, their emotions, their qualities like her that extend beyond physical appearances. She'll want to distance herself from those feelings and thoughts as much as possible right now, even though she's drawn to them. People are sometimes odd like that. :)

[Muaddib]

I voted for a science-animal studies combination.

[saxon215]

i fauna brainwashed people into following her cult of the philosophy voters

[Ravenwing]

Obviously I missed the whole debate yesterday when the wireless at home decided it wanted to take an early Christmas vacation. :cool:

ethereal_fauna wrote:

At any rate, I don't think she's interested in the biology of the animals so much as their intelligence, their emotions, their qualities like her that extend beyond physical appearances. She'll want to distance herself from those feelings and thoughts as much as possible right now, even though she's drawn to them. People are sometimes odd like that. :)

I don't know if I can agree with you on that, fauna. I think Pilla is just as much interested in the physical appearance of animals as she is in their intelligence. If she wants to learn more about herself, she needs to understand them in all aspects. How else is she going to gain any answers without looking at the whole thing?

Philosophy can only help her so much I think. I may be bias since I plan to major in biology in college, but I think a scientist is more open minded to finding the answers because they look at something from a whole perspective. And for a twelve year old girl finding the answers about herself through science seems the most logical answer. I personally don't see her doing the deep thinking of a philosopher for whatever amount of years. She probably wants answers now. I don't see her thinking long and hard looking for an answer. Science at least can help answer some of her questions about herself.

[Random]

After reading the story (wonderful!, although the machine style talk was a bit hard to follow at first), and all the debates, then thinking heavily about it for quite a while now, I went with science.

Philosophy and animal research will force her to take a longer look at herself, something she is avoiding. She wants to fit in. There has been no rebel streak mentioned in her actions, only a desire to keep the status quo. She is looking to be seen the same as everyone else. Philosophy will make her look into things she doesn't want to know yet, as will animal research.

Science is the safest choice for her because she can "hide" herself there.

Great story and ensuing discussion!

[Key]

Wow, what a discussion! And what a vote! :D

That was great, everyone, thanks for all the comments and votes. We had 23 people voting in 48 hours, that's got to be a new record.

I'm ending the poll now to give me time to prepare the next chapter. Philosophy has squeaked by, winning by 1 vote over Science and Animal Research.

Chapter 2 will be based on Pilla choosing philosophy as her track. Look for it Friday night (Pacific time).

:D

[Smee]

*shakes head*

So where are the sneaky extra Philosophy voters then - like the discussion it seems only Science voters have posted but they're out there somewhere.

Good attempt science voters, we nearly caught up. :D

*Sits and waits for next chapter*

Happy Writing :)

[Ravenwing]

One vote short....

Fauna is too influential. Ah well, there is always next time. :cool:

[ethereal_fauna]

*denies everything* :unsure:

[saxon215]

cant wait till the next chapter

[Ravenwing]

Is it really Sunday that the next chapter arrives? Can't wait that long... :(

*goes off to look for food, leaving computer connected to the Internet*

[Key]

No, it's not Sunday, it's tonight :) Should be up in around 8 hours or so.

[D-Lotus]

Sensational job! I was so busy studying, etc... that I didn't get a chance to see this before now. Well, I'm eager for the next chapter

[Ravenwing]

Man, I really got to stop reading posts quickly. So 8 hours you say? Hmm, looks like its going to be up soon.

[saxon215]

hahaa true aye rave, if it aint already here it'll be here ina few hours

[Key]

Chapter 2 is now posted. Locking Chapter 1.